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Create a new issues instead if you are arriving at a thread created by someone else and a have a new relevant point.
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- [Evil West](https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship#evil-west) posts are OK, but they *must* explain why you think a dictatorship would better solve the problem.
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Posting several random evil-West news without explaining why dictatorships handle it better will get you banned, because it is noise: there is freedom of speech in the West and people can already see that information on newspapers who have a million times more viewers than this repo, there's no need to repeat that here. Flooding such posts is a primary [wumao tactic](https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship#wumao).
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Bad China news are OK because those are all censored in China and help Chinese people learn about it.
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Any political material that is censored in any country in the West will be accepted.
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- generate lots of notifications that don't teach people anything new.
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When China <<evil-west,calls the USA Imperialist>> (帝国主义), there is of course some truth to it, but it is also very ironic, because as https://youtu.be/GiVs05yq9-o?t=74[Lindybeige mentions], China is obviously the largest empire on Earth! Despite its <<xinjiang,uniformization>> efforts, China is highly diverse since it is obviously made up of a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_China[large stitched up carpet of nations that were conquered by a single empire]. E.g. <<xinjiang>> translates literally as "The New Frontier"!
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===== The United States has recently started several wars and killed millions!
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Not even democracies can fully protect people from other countries, because they don't vote. Yes, congratulations, <<western-democracies-are-not-perfect>>.
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But if the USA were a <<dictatorship,dictatorship like China>> it would kill way more, because it would censor every report against the war internally to its own people, and the wars would just go on like in <<nineteen-eighty-four-war-is-peace>>.
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How many times do we have to bring <<nazi,Hitler>> up? 70-85 million deaths in one go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
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The only reason China has not started wars is because it is a poor country, and it would lose them. If it were rich, it would have started more wars and killed 100 times more people.
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Finally, some wars are good.
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If a country is oppressed by a dictatorship, and most of its people want to be free, it might be right to help them be free.
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If a country sponsors terrorism, it might be a good idea to take out their Government.
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This has to be analyzed on a case-by-case basis, and maybe a verdict will never be reached. But at least in a democracy the people can decide based on varied information. In a dictatorship, whatever the dictator decides happens.
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Also, most of those small wars that he USA started end up being https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_war[proxy wars] between the USA and <<russia>>/China, with the USA pushing for democracy, and Russia/China pushing for more dictatorships.
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[[uneducated-masses]]
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==== The Chinese masses are still uneducated, and not fit for free speech and democracy 中国大众愚昧，不能好好选领导
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North Korea for example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_North_Korea[China's good and trusty friend], is just a caricatural level of this, since it manages to be more a <<dictatorship,dictatorship>> than even China itself!
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In fiction, <<nineteen-eighty-four>> is undoubtedly the most prominent example, in which the Party constantly switches from being at war with one country to the other in a never ending https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_war[perpetual war] (exactly like North Korea vs South Korea, or China vs <<taiwan>>).
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In fiction, <<nineteen-eighty-four>> is undoubtedly the most prominent example, in which the Party constantly switches from being at <<war,war>> with one country to the other in a never ending https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_war[perpetual war] (exactly like North Korea vs South Korea, or China vs <<taiwan>>).
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One of the best related quotes comes in Part Two, Chapter 9 when Winston reads Emmanuel Goldstein's subversive text, one of the chapters contains (emphasis by Ciro):
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* <<richer>>
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* <<preconceived>>
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* <<bias>>
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* <<the-united-states-has-recently-started-several-wars-and-killed-millions>>
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.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signe_Wilkinson[Signe Wilkinson] 2017 Free Speech "Can you just move it so it doesn't cover them?" umbrella cartoon. Ciro once saw a <<wumao>> post this. It made him smile. If the cartoon were about <<dictatorship,dictatorships>>, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Sam[Uncle Sam] would be instead <<intolerance,decapitating and raping the people on one half of the umbrella>>. Of course humans are <<flg-intolerance,shit in democracies as well>>, but at least that system makes it harder for them to oppress each other. http://www.cartoonistgroup.com/store/add.php?iid=161799[Source].
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[[thailand]]
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==== Thailand (泰国)
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It is a crime to criticize the royal family: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lèse_majesté_in_Thailand
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It is a crime to criticize the royal family:
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* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lèse_majesté_in_Thailand
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* ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lèse-majesté
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As https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Gilliam[Terry Gilliam] brilliantly says in the <<the-secret-life-of-brian-2007>> https://youtu.be/hdU_6jUQI9s?t=492[]:
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I was always convinced that there is no where you should't go. There are no https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_cow_(idiom)[sacred cows]. And if there are, if they are really sacred, let's see how much we puncture them and see if they still float.
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Everyone must know how to be laughed at criticized.
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Everyone who has political power must know how to be laughed at criticized, otherwise <<dictatorship,dicatorship>> follows.
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* 2020-08-24 https://techcrunch.com/2020/08/24/after-restricting-a-group-critical-of-thailands-monarchy-facebook-says-it-will-take-legal-action-against-the-government/ "After restricting a group critical of Thailand’s monarchy, Facebook says it will take legal action against the government"
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.Side-by-side comparison between https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajiralongkorn[Thai King Vajiralongkorn] and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamtaro[Hamtaro]. This is the Thai version of <<winnie-the-pooh>>. It https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Japanese-cartoon-Hamtaro-used-by-Thai-protesters-to-mock-government[has been used by protesters] as part of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Thai_protests[2020 Thai protests]. Left https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Thai_protests[photo source].
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.Leading Thai politicians prostrate themselves before Vajiralongkorn in 2016, presumably during his ascention to the throne. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/bbc-investigation-thailand-king-defamation-a7460046.html[Source].
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.Suthida Tidjai, Vajiralongkorn's wife, prostrated before him during their marriage in 2016 before he officially ascended to the throne. Yes, prostation is a big thing in Thailand. An older king, Rama V, had apparently even https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chulalongkorn#Abolition_of_prostration[abolished this practice in 1873]. https://web.archive.org/web/20190723095722/https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/03/thailand-coronation-king-maha-vajiralongkorn-rama-x[Source].
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[[ccp-evil]]
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=== Is the Chinese government evil? 中国共产党是邪恶吗？
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News:
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* 2020-08-22 https://hk.appledaily.com/us/20200822/QS26FF4DBFE7PG2LJJEO4NSQTQ/ they are already trying to remove sensitive materials from history textbooks
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** 2020-08-21 https://www.bbc.com/zhongwen/trad/chinese-news-53846482 "香港通識科課本大幅度修改涉政治取向內容引發爭議" appears to give more concrete details. An English infographic at: https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/ig9xca/some_censorship_examples_of_the_latest_changes/
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* 2020-08-10 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-10/hong-kong-media-tycoon-jimmy-lai-arrested-apple-daily-reports[] "Hong Kong Media Tycoon Arrested in Latest Blow to Democracy Camp"
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<<jimmy-lai>> is the founder of <<apple-daily>>, the flagship newspaper under Next Digital and the biggest pro-democracy paper in Hong Kong, reported that nearly 200 officers were entering their offices.
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China's GitHub censorship history is documented at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_GitHub#China
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* 2019-07-29 https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/29/github-ban-sanctioned-countries/ "GitHub confirms it has blocked developers in Iran, Syria and Crimea". "As part of the push, Friedman said GitHub has enforced new restrictions to prevent users in sanctioned countries from accessing private repositories and GitHub Marketplace, as well as maintaining private paid organization accounts"
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** https://github.com/1995parham/github-do-not-ban-us protest repo against the sanctions, archived as of 2020-08
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News:
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* 2020-08-21 https://techcrunch.com/2020/08/21/china-is-building-its-github-alternative-gitee/ "China is building a GitHub alternative called Gitee"
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** https://github.com/1995parham/github-do-not-ban-us protest repo against the sanctions, archived as of 2020-08
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<<ciro-santilli>> commented about his <<gitee-censorship>> experiment there, it got 26 upvotes 13 downvotes, and as removed as "This post violated our policy.". There is no way to appeal that in that idiotic system. It is absed on: https://www.openweb.com/ It is also bugged as fuck. Sometimes says violates policy, then there's a JavaScript update andthe comment shows.
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====== Gitee censorship
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Episodes could be split along:
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* Episode 1: pre Qi Gong, shows Childhood, workplaces, early motivations. Ends with first contact with a Qi Gong lesson
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* Episode 2: early Falun Gong. Opens an academy. Starts without metaphysics, but grows into it. Show him knowingly lying, but also seething magic things. The first followers, and top lieutenants. Makes some management mistake, but escapes. Could end in a metaphysical scene, or 13 May 1992 initial public lesson. Maybe a scene of Li's visit to Thailand in 1983 (photo from CCP media found on Google).
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* Episode 2: early Falun Gong. Opens an academy. Starts without metaphysics, but grows into it. Show him knowingly lying, but also seething magic things. The first followers, and top lieutenants. Makes some management mistake, but escapes. Could end in a metaphysical scene, or 13 May 1992 initial public lesson. Maybe a scene of Li's visit to <<thailand>> in 1983 (photo from CCP media found on Google).
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* Episode 3: later Falun Gong in China. It grows, show in Chinese news. Power struggles, problems with early lieutenants, and new lieutenants come up. Many people practice on streets. Battle against <<zhong-gong>>. Near 1996, something tips Li off to the fact that the CCP is going to crack down on them, and so he announces that he will be spreading abroad full time. Check out if this was before or after the first Anti FLG newspaper article in 1996-06-17.
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* Episode 4: preaching outside of China and emigration. American permanent residence in 1998. Watches crackdown on television. International Falun Gong media. Show him at Falun Gong New York <<dragon-springs,"Dragon Springs">> complex
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* brothers and sisters, all younger:
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** Li Jun (李君) older younger sister
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** Li Ping (李平) younger younger sister
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*** Notably, Li Ping's alleged husband Sun Senjun (孙森伦) is a Chinese-Thai, and allegedly wrote an account of Li Hongzhi's family in the 1980's "我与李洪志一家在泰国的日子——法轮功教主妹夫的自述" ("Diary's of being in Thailand with Li Hongzhi's family") https://www.cp1897.com.hk/product_info.php?BookId=9789996590252[ISBN 9789996590252] This is reproduced on many CCP sources, e.g.: http://lihongzhidaqidi.blogspot.com/2013_09_27_archive.html but it is good reading if you take everything with a grain of salt, does sound believable. TODO find original publishing location. This appears to be an interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js0OyNwYw5A (watermarked <<kaiwind>> on top)
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*** Notably, Li Ping's alleged husband Sun Senjun (孙森伦) is a Chinese-Thai, and allegedly wrote an account of Li Hongzhi's family in the 1980's "我与李洪志一家在泰国的日子——法轮功教主妹夫的自述" ("Diary's of being in <<thailand>> with Li Hongzhi's family") https://www.cp1897.com.hk/product_info.php?BookId=9789996590252[ISBN 9789996590252] This is reproduced on many CCP sources, e.g.: http://lihongzhidaqidi.blogspot.com/2013_09_27_archive.html but it is good reading if you take everything with a grain of salt, does sound believable. TODO find original publishing location. This appears to be an interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js0OyNwYw5A (watermarked <<kaiwind>> on top)
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** Li Hui (AKA Li Donghui) younger brother
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* father: Li Dan
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* mother: Lu Shuzhen
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